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IBA 6th Silicon Hills Conference - the Tech Epicentre of Texas: from Start-Up to Exit in Austin on 12 Feb

IBA 6th Silicon Hills Conference - the Tech Epicentre of Texas: from Start-Up to Exit

Austin   Wednesday, February 12, 2025   0800 - 1700
1365.00 USD
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Topics will include: Austin tech hub and start-ups - competing with Silicon Valley IP strategies on the leading edge of emerging technologies IP valuation models and licensing - turning theory into practical The implementer's dilemma - SEP licensing and the pus ..
AI, Digital and Tech Networking and Elevator Pitch at Home Grown Members Club in London on 13 Dec

AI, Digital and Tech Networking and Elevator Pitch at Home Grown Members Club

London   Friday, December 13, 2024   1900 - 2300
15.00 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Join us for an exclusive AI, Digital and Tech Networking at Home Grown Members Club in Mayfair, where professionals in the AI, Digital and tech industry gather together to discuss innovation and build connections. Socialite Connections connecting the Future of Inn ..
AI, Digital, Tech Networking at Home Grown Members Club in London on 13 Dec

AI, Digital, Tech Networking at Home Grown Members Club

London   Friday, December 13, 2024   1900 - 2300
15.00 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Join us for an exclusive AI, Digital and Tech Networking at Home Grown Members Club in Mayfair, where professionals in the AI, Digital and tech industry gather together to discuss innovation and build connections. Socialite Connections connecting the Future of Inn ..
Connecting Fintech Startups, Investors, Professionals Networking at Home Grown Members Club in London on 13 Dec

Connecting Fintech Startups, Investors, Professionals Networking at Home Grown Members Club

London   Friday, December 13, 2024   1900 - 2300
15.00 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Join us for an exclusive Digital and Tech Networking at Home Grown Members Club in Mayfair, where professionals in the AI, Digital and tech industry gather together to discuss innovation and build connections. Connecting the Future of Innovation with AI, Digital a ..
Rooftop Networking for Entrepreneurs, Startups and Investors in Mayfair in London on 15 Dec

Rooftop Networking for Entrepreneurs, Startups and Investors in Mayfair

London   Sunday, December 15, 2024   1600 - 2000
15.00 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Socialite Connections Rooftop Networking for Entrepreneurs, Startups and Investors in Mayfair is a unique community of founders, working professionals and start-ups, Investors, entrepreneurs who connect, collaborate, and grow their businesses. We host upscale network ..
Rooftop Business Networking at Sanctum Soho Hotel in London on 15 Dec

Rooftop Business Networking at Sanctum Soho Hotel

London   Sunday, December 15, 2024   1600 - 2000
15.00 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Business Networking for Startups and Investors and Elevator Pitch in Mayfair is a unique community of founders, working professionals and start-ups, Investors, entrepreneurs who connect, collaborate, and grow their businesses. We host upscale networking events on roo ..
Speed Business Networking at Sanctum Soho Hotel in London on 17 Dec

Speed Business Networking at Sanctum Soho Hotel

London   Tuesday, December 17, 2024   1830 - 2100
15.00 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Need to make some updates? Edit event Previous slide Next slide Go to slide 1 Go to slide 2 Speed Business Networking at Sanctum Soho Hotel Like Event Share this event Tuesday, 17 December Speed Business Networking at Sanctum Soho Hotel Come join us f ..
Women in Business Networking at The Saint Bow Lane in London on 20 Dec

Women in Business Networking at The Saint Bow Lane

London   Friday, December 20, 2024   1830 - 2200
15.00 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Women in Business Networking is brought to you by Socialite Connections, connecting female startups, entrepreneurs, and professionals through collaborative and innovative networking. This vibrant event gathers ambitious, like-minded women to connect, inspire, and emp ..
Female Entrepreneurs in Tech, Fintech, Startups and Professionals Networking at Saint Bow Lane Bank in London on 20 Dec

Female Entrepreneurs in Tech, Fintech, Startups and Professionals Networking at Saint Bow Lane Bank

London   Friday, December 20, 2024   1900 - 2200
15.00 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Connecting female startups, entrepreneurs, and professionals through collaborative and innovative networking. This vibrant event gathers ambitious, like-minded women to connect, inspire, and empower each other. Event Overview Events empower women in business by ..
Animal Health, Nutrition and Technology Innovation Europe in London on 10 Feb

Animal Health, Nutrition and Technology Innovation Europe

London   Monday, February 10, 2025   0900 - 1700
1099.00 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Returning for a 10th year, Animal Health, Nutrition and Technology Innovation Europe is connecting over 800+ animal health leaders for what is set to be the animal health event of the decade! Across 3 days of interactive discussions, roundtables, presentations and ne ..
Festive Business Networking for Solo Entrepreneurs and Working Professionals at Sanctum Soho Hotel in London on 9 Dec

Festive Business Networking for Solo Entrepreneurs and Working Professionals at Sanctum Soho Hotel

London   Monday, December 9, 2024   1900 - 2300
15.00 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Connect with professionals, investors, and enthusiasts to unlock your business potential. Our events empower you with tailored support, expert guidance, and a collaborative community, fostering growth and innovation. This event will provide a unique platform for e ..
Consultants and Coaches, Freelancers, Small Business Owners at Sanctum Soho in London on 9 Dec

Consultants and Coaches, Freelancers, Small Business Owners at Sanctum Soho

London   Monday, December 9, 2024   1830 - 2300
15.00 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Join Socialite Connections networking event for consultants and coaches, freelancers, and small business owners who unite under a common mission: to empower, inspire, and achieve success in their fields. We provide a dynamic support network designed to elevate your b ..
Solo Business Owners, Freelancers, Coaches, Consultants Xmas Networking in Mayfair in London on 9 Dec

Solo Business Owners, Freelancers, Coaches, Consultants Xmas Networking in Mayfair

London   Monday, December 9, 2024   1830 - 2300
15.00 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Come join Socialite Connections for Solo Business Owners, Freelancers, Coaches, Consultants Xmas Networking to empower each other and to inspire, and achieve success in their fields. We provide a dynamic support network designed to elevate your business, enhance your ..
Black Owned Business Expo and Kwanzaa Celebration in Columbia on 7 Dec

Black Owned Business Expo and Kwanzaa Celebration

Columbia   Saturday, December 7, 2024   1400 - 1700
Free
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Join Columbia Parks and Recreation on December 7 from 2-5 pm at their annual Black Owned Business Expo and Kwanzaa Celebration. The expo will feature several black owned businesses with local vendors. Festivities will also include entertainment, food and refreshments ..
** 241 Black Friday Deal ** Business Networking at The Saint Bow Lane in London on 6 Dec

** 241 Black Friday Deal ** Business Networking at The Saint Bow Lane

London   Friday, December 6, 2024   1830 - 2230
11.55 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Join Socialite Connections for an unparalleled London Connections Business Event at The Saint Bow Lane in the bustling city of London few minutes from Bank Station. This exclusive business networking event is open to all entrepreneurs, business people, investors, and ..
Tech Arena Sweden in Stockholm on 29 Nov

Tech Arena Sweden

Stockholm   Friday, November 29, 2024   0900 - 1700
Free
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Join us at Tech Arena Sweden, the Nordic region's largest tech and startup event! On October 10, 2024, at World Trade Centre, Stockholm, early-stage tech companies will have the chance to pitch their ideas and compete for 20,000€. Meet like-minded students from acros ..
2024 Idaho Small Business Fair in Garden City on 23 Nov

2024 Idaho Small Business Fair

Garden City   Saturday, November 23, 2024   1000 - 1900
Free
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
| Free Public Event | Join us for the Idaho Small Business Fair at Expo Idaho on Saturday, November 23rd! This exciting community celebration is dedicated to supporting and showcasing the incredible local entrepreneurs and small businesses from across our great stat ..
Future Proofing : Ai Techniques for Sustainable Business Growth on November 21,2024 in Hoover, AL in Hoover on 21 Nov

Future Proofing : Ai Techniques for Sustainable Business Growth on November 21,2024 in Hoover, AL

Hoover   Thursday, November 21, 2024   1600 - 1800
Free
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Tools and Platforms for Implementing AI in Your Business AI Software and Platforms Case Tools for Specific Needs Interactive Exercise A: Identifying AI Opportunities in Your Business Practical Steps for Integrating AI into Business Strategy Assessing Needs and ..
Rooftop Property and Business Networking and Elevator Pitch at Sanctum Soho in London on 17 Nov

Rooftop Property and Business Networking and Elevator Pitch at Sanctum Soho

London   Sunday, November 17, 2024   1600 - 2000
5.00 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Rooftop Property Networking connects real estate professionals, investors, and like-minded individuals who share a passion for property and wealth creation. Our community is built on the principles of collaboration, innovation, and mutual support, providing a unique ..
Free to Browse - The Best of The Internet Browsing Experience IRL in Chicago on 16 Nov

Free to Browse - The Best of The Internet Browsing Experience IRL

Chicago   Saturday, November 16, 2024   1600 - 2230
Free
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
We are bringing the Firefox online experience to life, emphasizing that browsing with Firefox offers a choice – people can enjoy the internet and build their online presence without giving up their personal data. After all, Firefox puts people's privacy over profits, ..
Health Care and Wellness Industry Networking at Sanctum Soho Hotel in London on 11 Nov

Health Care and Wellness Industry Networking at Sanctum Soho Hotel

London   Monday, November 11, 2024   1830 - 2300
5.00 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
This is a vibrant community of innovators, thought leaders, and professionals dedicated to shaping the future of healthcare and wellness. Socialite Connections connects the dots between industry experts, entrepreneurs, and organizations, fostering meaningful connecti ..
AI, Digital & Tech Networking & Elevator Pitch at Home Grown Members Club in London on 8 Nov

AI, Digital & Tech Networking & Elevator Pitch at Home Grown Members Club

London   Friday, November 8, 2024   1900 - 2300
5.00 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Join us for an exclusive AI, Digital & Tech Networking at Home Grown Members Club in Mayfair, where professionals in the AI, Digital & tech industry gather together to discuss innovation and build connections. Socialite Connections connecting the Future of Innovat ..
Rooftop Founders & Startups Networking & Elevator Pitch at Sanctum Soho in London on 3 Nov

Rooftop Founders & Startups Networking & Elevator Pitch at Sanctum Soho

London   Sunday, November 3, 2024   1600 - 2000
5.00 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Socialite Connections Founders & Startups Business Networking is a unique community of founders, working professionals and start-ups, Investors, entrepreneurs who connect, collaborate, and grow their businesses. We host upscale networking events on rooftops, providin ..
Business Networking for Investors, Entrepreneurs, Startups at The Saint Bow Lane in London on 1 Nov

Business Networking for Investors, Entrepreneurs, Startups at The Saint Bow Lane

London   Friday, November 1, 2024   1830 - 2230
5.00 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Discover vibrant opportunities with Socialite Connections to connect visionary investors, innovative entrepreneurs, and ambitious startups, fostering a collaborative environment where ideas flourish and partnerships thrive. Socialite Connections networking events ..
Breakfast Business Networking and Elevator Pitch at Drake and Morgan Kings X in London on 19 Oct

Breakfast Business Networking and Elevator Pitch at Drake and Morgan Kings X

London   Saturday, October 19, 2024   1000 - 1430
Free
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Breakfast Business Networking is a vibrant community where like-minded professionals gather to connect, collaborate, and grow their businesses over a plate of breakfast. Our events provide a warm and welcoming atmosphere, perfect for building meaningful relationships ..
Las Vegas Small Business Expo 2024 in Las Vegas on 17 Oct

Las Vegas Small Business Expo 2024

Las Vegas   Thursday, October 17, 2024   1000 - 1700
Free
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
LAS VEGAS SMALL BUSINESS EXPO 2024 Welcome to the Las Vegas Small Business Expo 2024! Get ready to connect, learn, and grow with fellow small business owners in the vibrant city of Las Vegas. Join us in person on Wednesday, October 17, 2024 at 10:00 AM PST for a d ..
AI, Digital and Tech Entrepreneurs Networking at Home Grown Members Club in London on 11 Oct

AI, Digital and Tech Entrepreneurs Networking at Home Grown Members Club

London   Friday, October 11, 2024   1900 - 2300
16.96 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Join us for an exclusive AI, Digital and Tech Networking at Home Grown Members Club in Mayfair, where professionals in the AI, Digital and tech industry gather together to discuss innovation and build connections. Socialite Connections connecting the Future of Inn ..
San Francisco Bay Area Small Business Expo 2024 in South San Francisco on 10 Oct

San Francisco Bay Area Small Business Expo 2024

South San Francisco   Thursday, October 10, 2024   1000 - 1700
Free
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA SMALL BUSINESS EXPO 2024 Welcome to the San Francisco Bay Area Small Business Expo 2024! Get ready for an exciting event dedicated to supporting and celebrating small businesses in the Bay Area. Join us in person on Thursday, October 10, 202 ..
Small Business Showcase in Tulsa on 10 Oct

Small Business Showcase

Tulsa   Thursday, October 10, 2024   1000 - 1800
Free
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Small Business Showcase is your opportunity to immerse yourself in Tulsa's vibrant small business scene. Explore a diverse range of local vendors, gain valuable insights at our workshops, and expand your network through networking opportunities. Join us in our missio ..
Learn How To Write An Effective Business Plan in Austin on 8 Oct

Learn How To Write An Effective Business Plan

Austin   Tuesday, October 8, 2024   1300 - 1600
19.99 USD
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Join us for How To Write An Effective Business Plan, a workshop designed to empower small business owners, freelancers, nonprofit and creative professionals. Gain invaluable insights, tools, and strategies to create your own business plan. Dive into competitive analy ..
E-Commerce, E-Bay, Amazon Networking at Sanctum Soho Hotel in London on 7 Oct

E-Commerce, E-Bay, Amazon Networking at Sanctum Soho Hotel

London   Monday, October 7, 2024   1900 - 2300
16.96 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Join us for E-Commerce, E-Bay and Amazon networking event with Elevator Pitch at Sanctum Soho Hotel, where online business professionals come together to share knowledge and explore new opportunities. This is your gateway to navigating the dynamic world of online ..
Small Business Expo in Denton on 5 Oct

Small Business Expo

Denton   Saturday, October 5, 2024   1100 - 1300
Free
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Fair will provide an opportunity for the community to discover local businesses with whom they might not be familiar as well as allow businesses to showcase their areas of expertise. Vendors - please contact MLK at (940) 349-8575. Category: Community | Recreation ..
Business Networking and Elevator Pitch at The Saint Bow Lane Bank in London on 4 Oct

Business Networking and Elevator Pitch at The Saint Bow Lane Bank

London   Friday, October 4, 2024   1830 - 2300
16.96 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Socialite Connections networking events gather entrepreneurs, professionals, and innovators to build meaningful connections, generate new opportunities, and elevate their careers. Event Overview Join us for a business networking event at The Saint Bow Lane few ..
Starting A Nonprofit in Texas in Austin on 3 Oct

Starting A Nonprofit in Texas

Austin   Thursday, October 3, 2024   1300 - 1600
19.99 USD
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Are you driven by a mission? This class will help you transform that vision and drive into an official nonprofit organization. Participants will learn what to expect from the process, how to file and manage official paperwork, and we will provide guidance on how to d ..
Port Alberni - #OwnersWanted Workshop in Port Alberni on 25 Sep

Port Alberni - #OwnersWanted Workshop

Port Alberni   Wednesday, September 25, 2024   1600 - 1900
Free
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
On September 25 and 26 from 4 - 7PM PST at Port Alberni's Best Western Barclay Hotel, non-profit organization Futurpreneur BC will be hosting a new program designed specifically for local business owners and entrepreneurs. Futurpreneur has helped over 17,000 entrepre ..
San Diego Small Business Expo 2024 in San Diego on 20 Sep

San Diego Small Business Expo 2024

San Diego   Friday, September 20, 2024   1000 - 1700
Free
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
SAN DIEGO SMALL BUSINESS EXPO 2024 Join us at the San Diego Small Business Expo 2024, a must-attend event for entrepreneurs and small business owners! Get ready to connect, learn, and grow your business in person at the Sheraton San Diego Hotel and Marina on Fri S ..
Minnesota Owners Session: Employee Ownership in Professional Services in Minneapolis on 17 Sep

Minnesota Owners Session: Employee Ownership in Professional Services

Minneapolis   Tuesday, September 17, 2024   1200 - 1300
Free
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Join Common Trust and Codeweavers for a discussion on implementing Employee Ownership Trusts in the professional services, exploring their journey and the impact of business succession. Our panel of employee-owned business leaders will share their insights and experi ..
Women in Business Networking at Sanctum Soho Hotel in London on 16 Sep

Women in Business Networking at Sanctum Soho Hotel

London   Monday, September 16, 2024   1830 - 2200
15.00 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Women in Business Networking at Sanctum Soho Hotel in Mayfair is brought to you by Socialite Connections, connecting female startups, entrepreneurs, and professionals through collaborative and innovative networking. This vibrant event gathers ambitious, like-minded w ..
London Fashion Networking and Elevator Pitch in Mayfair in London on 13 Sep

London Fashion Networking and Elevator Pitch in Mayfair

London   Friday, September 13, 2024   1830 - 2300
15.00 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
London Fashion Week is a premier fashion event that celebrates the art of fashion, creativity, and innovation. Socialite Connections bring together the industry's most renowned designers, influencers, and fashion enthusiasts to showcase the latest trends, styles, and ..
AI Digital and Tech Entrepreneurs, Professionals Networking at Sanctum Soho Hotel in London on 9 Sep

AI Digital and Tech Entrepreneurs, Professionals Networking at Sanctum Soho Hotel

London   Monday, September 9, 2024   1830 - 2300
16.96 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Connecting the Future of Innovation with AI, Digital and Tech Entrepreneurs and Professionals Networking is a hub for visionary thinkers, innovators, and trailblazers to converge, collaborate, and shape the future of technology. Socialite Connections fosters meaningf ..
Rooftop Business Networking at Sanctum Soho Hotel in London on 8 Sep

Rooftop Business Networking at Sanctum Soho Hotel

London   Sunday, September 8, 2024   1600 - 2000
16.96 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Business Networking is a unique community of professionals and start-ups, Investors, entrepreneurs who connect, collaborate, and grow their businesses. We host upscale networking events on rooftops, providing a relaxed and inspiring environment for meaningful connect ..
Business Networking and Elevator Pitch at The Saint Bow Lane Bank in London on 6 Sep

Business Networking and Elevator Pitch at The Saint Bow Lane Bank

London   Friday, September 6, 2024   1830 - 2300
16.96 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Socialite Connections networking events gather entrepreneurs, professionals, and innovators to build meaningful connections, generate new opportunities, and elevate their careers. Event Overview Join us for a business networking event at The Saint Bow Lane few ..
Los Angeles Small Business Expo 2024 in Pasadena on 5 Sep

Los Angeles Small Business Expo 2024

Pasadena   Thursday, September 5, 2024   1000 - 1700
Free
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
LOS ANGELES SMALL BUSINESS EXPO 2024 Join us at the Los Angeles Small Business Expo 2024, a must-attend event for entrepreneurs and small business owners! Get ready to connect, learn, and grow your business in person at the Pasadena Convention Center on Thursday, ..
How and Why to Start a Business in South Carolina in Event on 28 Aug

How and Why to Start a Business in South Carolina

Event   Wednesday, August 28, 2024   1200 - 1400
Free
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Fast Business Start is a free webinar where attendees can connect directly with a team of experts to gain information and get their most pressing questions answered and learn how to start a business from Loan Mantra and the Charleston Regional Development Alliance. T ..
Rooftop Networking for Investors, Entrepreneurs in Mayfair in London on 25 Aug

Rooftop Networking for Investors, Entrepreneurs in Mayfair

London   Sunday, August 25, 2024   1600 - 2000
16.96 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Business Networking is a unique community of professionals and start-ups, Investors, entrepreneurs who connect, collaborate, and grow their businesses. We host upscale networking events on rooftops, providing a relaxed and inspiring environment for meaningful connect ..
Women in Business Breakfast Networking at Drake and Morgan Kings Cross in London on 24 Aug

Women in Business Breakfast Networking at Drake and Morgan Kings Cross

London   Saturday, August 24, 2024   1000 - 1200
16.96 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Women in Business Breakfast Networking at Drake and Morgan Kings Cross is brought to you by Socialite Connections, connecting female startups, entrepreneurs, and professionals through collaborative and innovative networking. This vibrant event gathers ambitious, like ..
The Building Black Business Expo in Dania Beach on 23 Aug

The Building Black Business Expo

Dania Beach   Friday, August 23, 2024   0700 - 2200
59.00 USD
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
The Building Black Business Expo is a 2-day event happening on *August 23-24, 2024*, at the Design Center of the Americas (DCOTA) in Dania Beach, FL 1855 Griffin Rd Here's what you can expect from the event: *Coaching and Mentorship*: Get guidance from experien ..
Fintech, Startups and Entrepreneurs Networking at Mint Leaf in London on 16 Aug

Fintech, Startups and Entrepreneurs Networking at Mint Leaf

London   Friday, August 16, 2024   1900 - 2300
16.96 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Connecting the Future of Innovation with AI, Digital and Tech Entrepreneurs and Professionals Networking is a hub for visionary thinkers, innovators, and trailblazers to converge, collaborate, and shape the future of technology. Socialite Connections fosters meaningf ..
AI, Digital and Tech Entrepreneurs and Professionals Networking at Mint Leaf in London on 16 Aug

AI, Digital and Tech Entrepreneurs and Professionals Networking at Mint Leaf

London   Friday, August 16, 2024   1900 - 2300
16.96 GBP
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
Connecting the Future of Innovation with AI, Digital and Tech Entrepreneurs and Professionals Networking is a hub for visionary thinkers, innovators, and trailblazers to converge, collaborate, and shape the future of technology. Socialite Connections fosters meaningf ..
Grow your Business FASTER, While Gaining Your Ideal Life in Bartlesville on 14 Aug

Grow your Business FASTER, While Gaining Your Ideal Life

Bartlesville   Wednesday, August 14, 2024   1700 - 2000
35.00 USD
Entrepreneur Events - Start-ups - Funding
There are two major factors that affect our growth. #1 - we work with the wrong people and #2 - we use the wrong words to communicate with them. Frequently, we work with the wrong people or customers because we think we have to when, in fact, if we work with the r ..

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